Dr. Rima Laibow interviews Jan Irvin on MKULTRA (United We Strike Radio)

Dr. Rima Laibow interviews Jan Irvin regarding his latest MKULTRA research and discoveries.

This was recorded yesterday on United We Strike Radio - Ireland.



  48 comments for “Dr. Rima Laibow interviews Jan Irvin on MKULTRA (United We Strike Radio)

  1. david llewellyn foster
    July 14, 2014 at 7:09 am

    The CIA should be known as the catholic intelligence agency….McLuhan was the leading apologist for Vatican hegemony. The whole control program reeks of christist manipulation and dark forces. There seem to be several simultaneous agendas at work. The main thrust appears to be the conservation of “establishment” preserves at all cost, no matter what it takes, even nuclear war, that given the recent display of genocidal brutality in Gaza, cannot be far off. The only irresistible force that can challenge de facto dynastic power is Nature itself, and no-one can say with any certainty what that might imply given our limited understanding of what the Universe is.

    You may be intrigued by a remarkable millennial display of “Aquarian” obfuscation & subtle manoeuvring from the divine fount of gospel authority here…


    …that was put out around 2001 so far as I can deduce, possibly just before 9/11 and the escalation of details about endemic child abuse that has now reached such a critical phase.

    It remains to be seen whether the current “Aquarian” white jesuit hierophant succeeds in disbursing their holy “water of life” to the thirsty, dry as dust billions.

    As you have made so abundantly clear, mind-control & ownership is an old game, the supreme game of priests and powers. The thing is ~ what is mind, and who controls the controls?

    • david llewellyn foster
      July 14, 2014 at 7:49 am

      Evidently this Vatican document was released in February 2003ce.

    • July 14, 2014 at 9:04 am

      That sounds like too much Eric John Phelps. At least half of the MKULTRA doctors had the same background, but it wasn’t Catholic.

      • john cokos
        July 14, 2014 at 11:20 am

        Which leads us to what group ?

        • Jeremy K
          July 18, 2014 at 9:54 am

          Seriously though, is it really that difficult to comprehend that the djooze have the biggest hand in all of it when you get to the final coin at the end of the money trail? Not being funny but come on. you don’t even have to dig that deep at all to see ALL the connections. Why does everyone still not get it? I guess the slave training still fires off when we get to the actual point and don’t want to accept its the djooze in all of it through all time, every time.

      • david llewellyn foster
        July 16, 2014 at 4:29 pm

        Thanks for the feedback. McLuhan was formerly Presbyterian as I recall, until his bizarre conversion to Rome of course.

        Don’t under-rate his much publicized notion of electric media as the “electronic body of christ” that was so eagerly seized upon by his “mother” church, that is still in certain respects the most powerful institution on Earth.

        Of course most of those psychiatric “doctors” and “psychologists” were not actually Roman Catholic , but then it could be argued that neither is the “pope” when we acknowledge the ecumenical meaning of catholic (small “c”) that certainly can be applied to the para-psychopathological remit of the CIA.

        I’m no fan of Phelps. The agenda I’m trying to allude to is this notion of institutional metamorphosis and deception; the Septuagint was the cunning syncretism that subsumed the original Jewish problem, but the fascist communion that is organized “(Judeo-“christism” today has been struggling with what to do about the Qur’an for quite a long time now. It looks to me that post-Mcluhan, Bahai-ism might be their best candidate as a vehicle for a suitably fraudulent template from which to reweave, centralize and co-opt all the dogmatic monotheistic creeds/screeds ~ possibly focused on Jerusalem/Rome.

        I mean, how else can these power cults survive unless they can devise a plausible, sufficiently ambiguous mass control scenario? It might fit their gas-bag bill, seeing as the gravitational black-hole of energy politics is now increasingly focused on Central Eur-Asia, and the Jovial specialists in Tel Aviv are fanatically determined to rule the Heaven of Jupiter…

    • Nick Dean
      July 15, 2014 at 12:08 pm

      There is no Vatican hegemony for McLuhan to have defended, and so he didn’t. Even within the Catholic Church, doctrine and politics is bended to Jewish tastes, just as almost elsewhere.

  2. July 14, 2014 at 9:12 am

    Nice interview Jan. Where can we find the Leary McLunah lunch conversation you quoted from? Or will it be in the new article?

    • July 14, 2014 at 11:21 am

      It’s found in Leary’s autobiography – Flashbacks. Yes, also in the new article.

    • July 14, 2014 at 1:12 pm

      The lunch with Marshall McLuhan at the Plaza was informative. “Dreary Senate hearings and courtrooms are not the platforms for your message, Tim. You call yourself a philosopher, a reformer. Fine. But the key to your work is advertising. You’re promoting a product. The new and improved accelerated brain. You must use the most current tactics for arousing consumer interest. Associate LSD with all the good things that the brain can produce—beauty, fun, philosophic wonder, religious revelation, increased intelligence, mystical romance. Word of mouth from satisfied consumers will help, but get your rock and roll friends to write jingles about the brain.” He sang:
      Lysergic acid hits the spot.
      Forty billion neurons, that’s a lot.
      “The problem is tricky,” I said. “The opposition beat us to the punch. The psychiatrists and police propagandists have already stressed the negative, which can be dangerous when the mind is re-imprinting under.
      They may be deliberately provoking bad trips. They never mention the 999 good experiences. They keep repeating ‘LSD: jump out a window.’ When some ill-prepared person goes spinning into new realms, he or she wonders what happens now? Oh yeah. Jump out a window. It’s like the over-solicitous mother who warned her kids not to push peanuts up their noses.”

      “Exactly,” agreed McLuhan. “That’s why your advertising must stress the religious. Find the god within. This is all frightfully interesting. Your competitors are naturally denouncing the brain as an instrument of the devil. Priceless!
      “To dispel fear you must use your public image. You are the basic product endorser. Whenever you are photographed, smile. Wave reassuringly. Radiate courage. Never complain or appear angry. It’s okay if you come off as flamboyant and eccentric. You’re a professor, after all. But a confident attitude is the best advertisement. You must be known for your smile.”
      “You’re going to win the war, Timothy. Eventually. But you’re going to lose some major battles on the way. You’re not going to overthrow the Protestant Ethic in a couple years.[…]
      ~Timothy Leary

      Timothy Leary, Flashbacks, J. P. Tarcher/Putnam books, 1983/1990, P. 251-252. ISBN: 0-87477-497-7

  3. john cokos
    July 14, 2014 at 11:19 am

    Seems like you can’t swing a dead cat by the tail and and not hit the Catholic Church in just about every intrigue.

    You would have to go back to the infiltration of the Church by the Masonic Jesuits and the further infiltration of the Jesuits
    going back to the 14th and 15th century by the Spanish Marano’s. A well documented tale, a study in and of itself.

    • July 14, 2014 at 2:09 pm

      That made me laugh. But it’s definitely not the Catholics, though a few were involved. I’ve also found one Islamic doctor in Egypt who participated. But from the official records and checking their backgrounds, over half of the MKULTRA doctors were Jewish.

      • Nick Dean
        July 15, 2014 at 12:27 pm

        Your Jewish MKULTRA doctors were unlikely to be religiously Jewish. Few Jews in the West have any deep religious affiliation to Judaism. Whatever Jewish identification they had was almost certainly ethnic, racial, ultimately genetic in type. And of course the Jewish religion anyway is quite unlike the universalist Christianity or Islam, in being a national or racial religion, like the Japanese Shinto or White Creativity – so even if they were religious their Jewishness was an ethnically focused activity.

        • July 15, 2014 at 12:39 pm

          Uh, huh. I’ve read the Talmud.

          • Nick Dean
            May 2, 2019 at 8:05 pm

            Have you read the Talmud?

      • Jeremy K
        July 18, 2014 at 10:00 am

        That’s good stuff captain. I’m glad you are not biased when it comes to the djooze, because as soon as this happens the white supremacist, guilty of being white blah blah in everyone seems to leap out and paint on the denial. Then, no one is physically able to engage in an objective fact based simple discussion without going full toddler, and ranting with unconscious sanctimony and indignation pro djoo. But then, perhaps that is what it is supposed to do… now that’s mind control right there.

        I can’t remember who said this but the quote goes something like: “If you want to know who is in control, look at who you CAN’t question”.

  4. Andrew Bekiri
    July 14, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    Jan do you have a link or transcripts to the hearings before the special subcommittee 89th congress 2nd session where Timothy Leary flat out states his 100% support of the Narcotic Rehabilitation Act of 1966? That was a fascinating discussion.

    • July 14, 2014 at 5:34 pm

      Well, that was the name and you can get it at any library that holds government records, but I don’t have a full transcript, only the part’s that were too outrageous.

      Senator Dodd. Don’t you think that the drug needs to be put under control and restriction?
      Dr. LEARY. Pardon, sir.
      Senator Dodd. Let me rephrase my question. Don’t you feel that LSD should be put under some control, or restriction as to its use?
      Dr. LEARY. Yes, sir.
      Senator Dodd. As to its sale, its possession, and its use?
      Dr. LEARY. I definitely do. In the first place, I think that the 1965 Drug Control Act, which this committee, I understand, sponsored, is the high water mark in such legislation.
      Dr. Leary. Yes, sir. I agree completely with your bill, the 1965 Drug Control Act. I think this is—
      Senator Dodd. That the Federal Government and the State governments ought to control it?
      Dr. Leary. Exactly. I am in 100 percent agreement with the 1965 drug control bill.
      Senator Kennedy of Massachusetts. So there shouldn’t be—
      Dr. Leary. I wish the States, I might add, would follow the wisdom of this committee and the Senate and Congress of the United States and follow your lead with exactly that kind of legislation.
      Senator Kennedy of Massachusetts. So there should not be indiscriminate distribution of this drug should there?
      Dr. Leary. I have never suggested that, sir. I have never urged anyone to take LSD. I have always deplored indiscriminate or unprepared use.

      • AndyB
        July 14, 2014 at 5:50 pm

        Also just to clear this up, why is Leary deploring the use of such drugs in front of congress, and trying to create opposition to the use of such drugs, and then shortly there after popularize the whole drug movement?

        • July 14, 2014 at 6:32 pm

          That’s the whole point… you can’t make drugs popular if they’re legal. We discussed these ideas during the interview. It’s opposite of how most think, but drug laws create more use and corruption, black market, etc. Check this quote out:

          The role of drugs in the exercise of political control is also coming under increasing discussion. Control can be through prohibition or supply. The total or even partial prohibition of drugs gives the government considerable leverage for other types of control. An example would be the selective application of drug laws permitting immediate search, or “no knock” entry, against selected components of the population such as members of certain minority groups or political organizations.
          But a government could also supply drugs to help control a population. This method, foreseen by Aldous Huxley in Brave New World (1932), has the governing element employing drugs selectively to manipulate the governed in various ways.
          To a large extent the numerous rural and urban communes, which provide great freedom for private drug use and where hallucinogens are widely used today, are actually subsidized by our society. Their perpetuation is aided by parental or other family remittances, welfare, and unemployment payments, and benign neglect by the police. In fact, it may be more convenient and perhaps even more economical to keep the growing numbers of chronic drug users (especially of the hallucinogens) fairly isolated and also out of the labor market, with its millions of unemployed. To society, the communards with their hallucinogenic drugs are probably less bothersome–and less expensive–if they are living apart, than if they are engaging in alternative modes of expressing their alienation, such as active, organized, vigorous political protest and dissent. […] The hallucinogens presently comprise a moderate but significant portion of the total drug problem in Western society. The foregoing may provide a certain frame of reference against which not only the social but also the clinical problems created by these drugs can be considered.
          ~ Louis Jolyon West

          • AndyB
            July 14, 2014 at 7:23 pm

            Amazing! Brilliant find and nice work, this is such damning evidence that I don’t really know how anyone can deny this at this point. By the way, I apologize for missing this part of the interview, which was around the 26 minute mark and onwards. I was washing the dishes while listening to the interview and just must have drifted off. Anyhow, I just wanted to highlight this point in the discussion because its such an important one.

            This leads me to my next question which is, how can people like Joe Rogan attack your work when the evidence is so overwhelming and blatant? I bring up Joe because I am also a fan of his podcasts as well, and because I know you guys have known each other for a long time, I’m really curious to know what he has to say about all this when you bring it up to him?

            I plan on starting a “Bring Back Jan Irvin” thread on his forum page and highlight some of these points. I think its incredibly irresponsible for Joe to unconditionally promote the use of mind altering substances, particularly when there are alot of young impressionable minds who listen to the show and who probably do not have the foundations for critical thinking to guide them.

          • July 14, 2014 at 8:46 pm

            Joe’s the kind of guy who can stab a good friend in the back and never think twice.

  5. forky
    July 16, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    Howdy Folks,

    Jan, not to discount any of your other stellar publications but this is one of the best products of your labor that I have ever heard in audio format – perhaps because as an interviewee, you were allowed the time to lay it all out with your fluid explanations/citations. THANK YOU to all who made this possible. Rimma Laibow was such an outstanding interviewer as well. I was way impressed by her own identity with the material you two covered. Not a second was wasted in this shorter than usual broadcast.

    Incidentally, the first presentation I heard of your work was “Turning The Tables…”, Wherein you again were being interviewed (by your lady I think?). That one really blew me away and since then, I haven’t ceased to be amazed by the spectrum of solid info you’ve shared with us all.
    Ironically, this link was handed to me via a new age forum that I frequent. Apparently, even the new-agers are beginning to wake up. Isn’t that sweet 😀

    I was sorry to see the conversation cut short but on the plus side, I can burn this talk to a CD and play it back a few times while I’m working in my own home shop. And when I’m done with it I can pass it on to those around me who really don’t have a clue about this stuff. The combo of you and Rima made for a really articulate and digestible production.

    I was somewhat wary of Rima and her hubby since I saw this bit at Ken Adachi’s site:
    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/soundsofsilence11dec08.shtml ,which was subsequently refuted by this:

    The accusers are known “truthers” and their stories are rather fantastic. There is most likely some truth in their accusations but if you look at the original report, It is kind of a sloppy compilation, a bit on the sensational side. Personally, I do recommend reading The Sound Of Silence article. Some of the technologies they describe are very real and in use today, and the reader would do well to become familiar with them. The fact that Stubby was admittedly involved in these projects and with these people should forever hold him in question. The fact that the two are married should include Rima in perpetual uncertainty. That’s what ‘I’ think… However, I don’t think the insinuations presented condemn them right off the bat. At this point, I think the couple are doing some very productive work to secure freedom for our country and for the rest of the world.

    I have a longstanding background in psychic research and its applications and I know in my own experience that it isn’t all fake superstitious bullshit or straight mind control – just most of it… I thoroughly enjoyed your interview of Bill Joslin. If I have any comment on it, I’ll post after I watch it a few more times. Really good stuff.



    • Nick Dean
      July 17, 2014 at 11:13 am

      Yes, as the case has grown stronger along with Irvin’s understanding and fluency in telling the tale the shows on this subject have got better and better in terms of utility. This might be the one to share with newbies. The quotes are powerful, man. Great research. I second Dr. Laibow’s call for a book, JI!


      I agree that the case presented at your links against Stubblebine and Laibow is not strong or clear.

      Stubblebine says he feels like a dupe for having worked so long for people who never had at heart the same interests as did he. I would imagine that’s no easy thing for a man like him to say publicly. Men of his status grovel to media moguls, Presidents, the Jewish lobby, Equality and Diversity Officers and their wives, but few others. It’s hard to think he’d be willing to debase himself like that merely to ingratiate himself with podcast listeners and independent revisionist historians.

      The only reason I have to doubt Laibow is a story she tells about a some bigwig confiding in her that *THEY* were about to start the big cull of ‘useless eaters’. 1) I don’t think they run around telling such things to people they don’t know. 2) The depopulation agenda seems more a conspindustry fiction than an on-the-ground reality. The global population, especially among the least productive groups, is exploding and has been for a century. The only peoples we see declining in numbers are the most productive White and East Asian groups. 3) The phrase ‘useless eaters’ which Laibow said the bigwig used is first credited to Kissinger during the Nixon years. Is it likely this singular term would be in general use today among the *THEY* when the fact we eat is no problem in the first place, because there’s plenty to go around and we don’t eat what they eat anyway, and in every other area of life language has been transformed, sanitized, bureaucracy-speak-ized? Kissinger himself would probably talk about ‘long term net calorie consumers’ or something today.

      Right now it appears to me that Laibow and Stubblebine are known to be helpful and not known to be harmful.

      • forky
        July 17, 2014 at 12:42 pm

        Hi Nick,

        Thanks for your input. I believe the term “useless eaters” came from much older masonic literature, in reference to the “lower races” – blacks, hispanic mongrels and indigenous peoples in general. Basically, all non-whites. Hiltler, who also used the term “Neuordnung” (new order), used “useless eaters” as a category for people with disabilities who were to be exterminated.

        The depopulation agenda began formally at the 1954 Bilderberg meeting as a response to “the baby boom”.
        It is a reality, not a fiction. If you look around and add things up, I’m sure you’ll see how real it is.

        I’m not out to smear the Stubblebines. I’m just suggesting that we shouldn’t ignore their history. I’ve been quite impressed by Rima’s dialogue. I would also suggest that you don’t become head of Army Intelligence if “THEY” don’t trust you…



        • July 17, 2014 at 3:26 pm

          Quite right, and you also don’t kill the messenger or poison the well. We’ve had them both on before. Have you heard my interview with Stubblebine?

          He’ll be interviewing me tonight – in 3.5 hours.

          • forky
            July 17, 2014 at 4:09 pm

            Yes Jan, I did hear your interview with Stubblebine, numerous times (and I did enjoy the song). I don’t mean to poison the well and I apologize if I gave that impression. Will this interview be live? I would like to hear it.

            I’m really not one to kill the messenger but at face value, I was somewhat less impressed by your interview of General Stubblebine. There was a lot of grunting and hesitation and “I don’t think I should say…”. I understand the sensitive position he has put himself in and I do have consideration for that.

            I was hoping you would have asked him about his association with Michael Aquino, who I saw on the Phil Donahue show back in the early 90’s. He literally looked like a vampire. I don’t remember if your interview had any questions about Operation Yellow Fruit but I kind of doubt it. These issues remain mysterious to me so I was hoping to hear something from the horse’s mouth.

            “To fulfill Yellow Fruit’s counterintelligence mission, Duncan started a partnership with the Army’s Quick Reaction Team (QRT) a group that Major General Albert Stubblebine, head of U.S. Army Intelligence & Security Command (INSCOM), gave the utmost support to. The success and rapid results of the Yellow Fruit-QRT alliance was beyond all expectations (and beyond Army approval). Major General Harry Soyster, the Deputy Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence, sent a directive to Stubblebine authorizing QRT support for the Special Operations Division (SOD), to which approval was given, but Stubblebine was left in the dark as to the specifics. This was supposed to be in the minds of the Army officials as a “very limited” alliance. Army officials further claim that Stubblebine “broadly interpreted” Soyster’s directive.”

            Good luck with your interview Jan, give the good general my regards. I will listen to your interview of Stubblebine once again.

            Thank you,


          • July 17, 2014 at 4:10 pm

            Freshly twittered:

            Upcoming interview TONIGHT at 10PM EST: Commander General Albert Stubblebine and Dr. Rima Laibow interview me on the latest MKULTRA findings. It is live.

            The link is http://www.freedomslips.com/ – and you’ll want “STUDIO B” to listen.

          • forky
            July 17, 2014 at 10:57 pm

            Thanks Jan,

            Good job on the interview. Stubblebine didn’t make it on, oh well… I hope you’ll post it so I can replay it a few times. Despite the interruptions and the talking matches, it was an interesting conversation.

            I did a little searching, here’s Michael Aquino back in the day.

            on Geraldo, alongside Ted Gunderson (former head of the Los Angeles FBI)

            on Opra



  6. Omaraven Hurst
    July 17, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    Got to pay due credit (and a donation will be forthcoming) as this appearance and dialogue was a dynamic condensation of your theses, suggesting to me (because I’m getting it) that the ultimate expression will come in the course of further tellings. Very much looking forward to the paper.

  7. Jeremy K
    July 18, 2014 at 10:09 am

    Great stuff Jan. But be careful, people who begin to get into this territory have been ‘suicidal’ for no reason, once the truth starts to be touched on and people figure out its not the jesuits, aliens, vatican assassins, moon nazis, regular nazis or catholics (although I admit they are just a part of it). But you have my logical blessings.

  8. Barbara Maver
    July 20, 2014 at 1:58 am

    This is all good until Dr Rima starts talking about autism.
    Dr Rima do you know any autistic people who go to work without having a support worker paid to accompany them?

    I think you will find that autism comes with considerable expense and people with autism are not, as you say, compliant workers.

    I would like to see what proof you have of this actually happening.

    I’m not disputing that autism may be related to vacines but if it was a plan then it hasn’t worked out and should be stopped immediately.

    Of course it should be stopped anyway if there is any risk in autism from vacines.

    • forky
      July 20, 2014 at 4:58 am

      Hi Barbara,

      I have a younger cousin (not young any longer) who had a job as an unsupervised street crossing guard. He had a few other jobs and never mentioned any support workers to me. It’s possible that that there were support workers that I never knew about but he did discuss details of his jobs with me and also his relationships with his counselors (not work-related).

      I think this is besides the point. Dr. Rima has said that the creators of autism are continually developing the condition and haven’t yet perfected it, that it’s a work in progress. She speaks in greater detail of it in this g-cast (available now to subscribing members):

      Dr. Rima appears to be a very knowledgeable and interesting speaker to me, if a tad over-enthused. It seems to me that she knows what she knows – as an insider. She doesn’t need to prove every single point that she makes (such as the raw milk thing) because her facts do support her strong opinions overall. She has proof that vaccines cause autism and other diseases. She has proof that there is an ulterior agenda behind it.

      I agree with you that vaccinations should be stopped. The ones who stop it will be people like Dr. Rima. Autism is an area of her expertise. She needs people like you to follow her lead and to support her efforts.

      Kind Regards,


  9. Barbara Maver
    July 20, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    Thanks for reply Forky. I assume your younger cousin is autistic. If they did have a job that’s great. I still don’t see how developing autism in people is going to help anyone though. There are no benefits in having an autistic work force.

    I do know people who work with people with autism and it does seem to be on the rise in younger people.

    I would like to see some proof that vacines cause autism, not because I disbelieve her but because i would like to have somethng to refer to when suggesting to people that they should refuse to have their children vacinated.

    Kind regards


    • forky
      July 20, 2014 at 7:17 pm

      Yes Barbara, I did mean to say that my cousin is autistic.

      Here’s Dr. Rima’s page on autism:
      I didn’t see any convincing research or studies posted there. Frankly, it sounded like a lot of hype with little real evidence. Some links were provided but the first one I clicked was kinda weak. I’ll check the other references later and see if they’re any different.

      This page discusses actual studies that support the possibility that vaccines are harmful and could be resposnible for the rise in autism:
      “Here we will simply present information from both sides of the coin because many are not even aware that two sides exist. We’ve presented multiple studies, citing multiple research papers and published research conducted by doctors and universities from all across the world. [Here] is an example of a paper that describes how vaccine manufactures and medical ‘experts’ with drug industry connections have been aware of the multiple dangers associated with vaccinations for over 30 years. We’d also like to present medical research that indicates the many dangers associated with vaccines, and have done this on multiple occasions. We do this because the safety of vaccinations is commonly pushed by the mainstream media, without ever mentioning or citing the abundant medical research that should also be taken into consideration when discussing vaccinations. Please keep in mind that there is evidence on both sides. At the same time, some of the evidence on the side that negates a positive outlook on vaccination has been labelled fraudulent, but then again many haven’t.”

      There is a lot of information out there that supports the view that vaccines are harmful to humans. You do have to look for it though, because the medical industry has flooded the search engines and the media with denial. The above links should get you started.

      Kind Regards,


  10. John Richards
    July 21, 2014 at 5:12 am

    This woman claims that THC is neurotoxic! she clearly has no idea what she is talking about and is just an antidrugs loon, THC is not at all neurotoxic, and no reputable scientific source has ever claimed that it is. Disinfo alert!!!!

  11. Barbara Maver
    July 22, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Thanks Forky. I wouldn’t even get a dog vacinated never mind a person but i did get my children vacinated because at the time I didn’t know any better.

    Dogs not being vacinated makes it difficult to find daycare and boarding for them so I have to rely on friends to look after them when i go away.

    I could see tha You can see where this could go with children.

    I’ve have a look at those links.



  12. Barbara Maver
    July 22, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    I still don’t see the benefits of a population with a higher proportion of people with autism and why they would make a good workforce. I can see the “Brave new World” theory but not how it would work out in practice. Also the boring sort of factory jobs have been transferred to other countries now. There isn’t much of this sort of manufacture going on in the West now and from what Dr Rima says in her earlier interview there wouldn’t be so much need for lots of factory production in the future anyway in the PTB get their way.

    Best wishes


  13. steve naive
    July 24, 2014 at 8:29 am

    dugpa’s everywhere these days

  14. Barbara Maver
    July 25, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    Thanks Forky. I had a look at that film and am now going to start on Brave New World which I remember reading as a set book at school but can’t remember very well.

    There must be some factors that make some people more inclined to autism more than others or all who were vacinated would become autistic.

    Best wishes


  15. Gaia Mars-hall
    July 27, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    The only thing missing in the interview is any note concerning the present World War III situation being pushed by Obama for his masters, for if the thesis, supported by evidence, is only referenced within the bubble of history, even with editorial comment presented with facts, and not to the present crisis, then such information can becomes but another drug that explores the crumbs going down the rabbit hole, but does not propose a moral choice that might so challenge listeners to come to a higher state of human responsibility that goes beyond the confines of the ‘other directed’ lobotomized construct of a consumerist society.

    As such I will state: Warmonger Obama needs to be impeached in order to prevent World War III which has already started from going nuclear, for restoring the Constitution and intent of the Declaration of Independence will require that citizens demand impeachment based upon principle, not party politics.

    Of course Obama represents the epitome of the type recruited to influence a precise type of manufactured person, which Irwin rightly deplores. Furthermore, it is precisely the post Garcia Dead who were the perfect dupes and agents of the hype of hope that elected British/CIA Agent Obama. (By the way someone during the election told me that at Occidental Obama ripped him off in a pot deal!)

    Again it turns out that Webster Tarpley was right with the pre-nomination book Obama: The Postmodern Coup- The making of a Manchurian Candidate when it was predicted that Obama would bring us to war against Russia and China and civil war in the United States and that the Foundation Funded, so called ‘Peace Movement” evaporate once “the face-lift for imperialism” Obama was elected, all while Obama bombs Pakistan his first week in office.

    At least Cindy Sheehan had the integrity to protest Obama during his first summer vacation in Martha’s Vinyard, but unfortunately the day of her scheduled press conference to protest Obama was interrupted with the oh so convenient death of Teddy Kennedy which would dominate the news and protect Obama. People can wonder about that!

    Anyways after you have told your Congressman to stop being an accomplish to war and murder, that he or she either defend the Constitution or Resign, then contemplation of the role of Dr. Leary and the gang can be considered and debated.

    There are a number of different angles to do so, but what is missing is that there were people in the military who had come to the conclusion that the only way to stop the military industrial complex was through such means that would make people question the issue of fighting and even the whole political constructs that would ultimately justify the a State that had been taken over.

    I would say that the moral destruction of America came much earlier than the psychedelic movement, and that even the nefarious picture that Irwin presents, expanding on the original work done in this area by National Organization of Labor Committees ( LaRouche and company) had done decades before with the book Dope Inc. being the nexus of much research, which should be footnoted. Maybe somewhere, but not plain to see in these pages, but maybe I have not looked enough.

    • July 27, 2014 at 10:32 pm

      Thanks, but this is about MKULTRA and how mind control works. It wasn’t about Obama. 😉

      • Gaia Mars-hall
        July 28, 2014 at 7:31 am

        Yes I understand the defined construct of the particular show, so I am glad that my comment was not censured, for certainly if we are talking about MKULTRA and how mind control works, then it is important to recognize that Obama represents the full maturation of that destructive project….this of course is but part of another aspect of the unfolding study which would envelope many such shows as well… Thanks!

        At this stage of the game the threat of nuclear war breaking out in the near future is the trajectory that Obama is leading the world towards, following the deep whispering of his Malthusian handlers who want to see “mushroom clouds” ejaculating radioactive spore. and cauldrons of flaming hell, but the post modern mush will do the same even if they do not launch.

  16. Jostein Kauserud
    August 2, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    May sound a bit silly but anybody here aware of Monty Python CIA/MI5 connections?

  17. Barbara Maver
    August 4, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    Hope you ‘re going to expand on this. You can’t just leave it like that.

  18. August 11, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    I think this is the second time Rima has called you Jan Irwin, which is a little disheartening.

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