Peace Revolution episode 012: Origins of Money / A Virtual Round-Table Discussion

The Book Discussed: The Lost Science of Money / The Mythology of Money - The Story of Power by Stephen Zarlenga

Stephen Zarlenga is the founder of the American Monetary Institute (AMI) - the leading American monetary think tank for monetary history, theory and reform (and he's also the author of the American Monetary Act, submitted to congress by Dennis Kucinich in March of this year).

Jan Irvin (author and host of the GnosticMedia podcast) conducted four detailed interviews with Zarlenga...

Episode #041: "Money's Dirty Little Secret: an interview with Stephen Zarlenga" part 1

Episode #057: "Why Gold & Silver are NOT the Answer" - an interview with Stephen Zarlenga, part 2

Episode #067: "A Response to the Austrian School: an interview with Stephen Zarle... part 3

Episode #088: "Silver & Gold" - an update with Stephen Zarlenga, part 4

This podcast features:

Brett Veinotte, Host of the School Sucks Podcast

Jan Irvin, Host of the Gnostic Media Podcast

Paul Verge, Writer/Director/Producer, Divergent Films Canada

Richard Grove, Tragedy and Hope dot com

  22 comments for “Peace Revolution episode 012: Origins of Money / A Virtual Round-Table Discussion

  1. Gene
    December 5, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    I will just say go research the Iroquois Confederacy for an example of the once working form of social order that worked until the “eastern, read middle eastern” thoughts of greed and elite-ism were introduced. The “representative” had no choice but to comply with the tribes wishes. If the rep. voted and there was no total agreement his vote was invalid and then a new rep. was select and the whole process was repeated. Many of the things you guys have gone over before are in the documentaries (there are questionable persons in these as well misnomer of the facts but still good stuff) “PSYWAR” AND HUMANRESOURCES” both are here, free for down load.

    Good talk and points all round! May your mind, words and intention hold the iron!

    • Deganawida
      December 6, 2010 at 12:59 pm

      Great Law of peace : the Six
      Nations of the Iroquois – {Kaianerekowa Haudenosaunee}

      “……..the United States of Amarica claims that the Constitution is based on the Great Law of peace of the Iroquois Confederacy, but the USA did not acquire all o…f the laws.

      The US did not include the foundation of the clan mother and the matriarchal society.

      “This is the only way to ensure individual liberty”

      & we made decisions via the foundation-understanding of consensus in a Matriarchy balanced society and not a majority ruling elite patriarchy system…….

      “It’s meant to help us regulate our lives and resolve issues peacefully to everybody’s benefit. There were-are no police, jails or judges.

      We Created Matriarchal- Egalitarian- altruistic clan systems that prevent incest at every level and provides for instant conflict resolution.

      It’s not a religion. Everything is scientific and based on natural law, which is provable. Handsome Lake followers[Patriarchy] are lead to believe they are traditional.

      They are unaware their ideas come from a foreign ideology on how a people behave that is not based on natural but on the unproveable supernatural.”

      Nature Communication = Direct Experience = Native Amarucan Indians

      [example of confusion here]

      “Patriarchy is a fear based society where man rules alone. Therefore it is unbalanced. Patriarchy reared its ugly head over 6000 years ago at the same time as the marketplace became his tool.

      Patriarchy and the marketplace cannot exist without one another.The marketplace engenders greed which engenders empire. When one takes a close look at the histories of all Patriarchal empires, you will find that they make the same mistakes over and over and over and over again.

      From the ming dynasty to kublai khan to the egyptians, the greeks, the romans, the sun never sets on the english empire, the soviet union, and now the torture ridden empire of america. Nothing has changed for patriarchy, before jesus christ, or after jesus christ, before muhammed or after muhammed, before buddha or after buddha, et al.

      Patriarchs fear everything. What does the Patriarch fear the most? It is the uncolonized indigenous human beings. That is why for over 6000 years he has demonized, dehumanized, dominated, terrorized and controlled women. In Patriarchy is there anything the Patriarch does not fear??!”

      “when a man fears the forest, he will want to control the forest, and what he can’t control, he will want to destroy.” -Ota Kte*Mochunozhin*Lakotah

      • Gene
        December 8, 2010 at 10:06 am

        Not to hurt you brother but if you study history you will rethink much of your statements. There is much truth in what you say, but the Iroquois Confederacy was not a Matriarch nor Patriarch both union of both. Even the children had time to give opinion and feeling in votes. It was as close to a true society as “history-read official” can ascribe to us, but not controlled by matriarch. That would be a women only power system do you see the point I’m trying to purvey here? As you will come to learn a matriarch society is just as bad as patriarch! Now how much of the so called Judeo-Christian epic and it’s origin have you researched? I will give you some redirection or point to the false dichotomy of the “evil white man” you some what rightfully have come to believe in. First look to some of Jan’s work the “evil white man” you speak of was much more like the American Natives before his distraction and division by the Judeo-Christian “MONARCHY” he was a child of the forest living much like the Native peoples!

        Have you heard of Robert Mirabal? I’ll point you to one of his songs, for further inflection, Theo’s dream: quote from song, “America has never really had any true goals, except to kill one another, white boy hate black boys, chicanos hate the chinese boys, italians hate the Jews…. and down the line it went and the Indians…. and the Indians, hated them all, because they came from another country and killed his people and now he was in another country doing the same…. and the memories of hate remain”

        Again not to hurt you just to help you stand under our situation! And may we all shrug it off!

        • December 10, 2010 at 1:16 am

          i have the direct experience = nature communication = ThunderStanding of who my Ancestors are from all continents !

          the O’Cathasaigh irish gaelic family is related to me & the manitoba metis + mulattoes etc……

          i have researched all of these issues very thoroughly indeed !

          “Not to hurt you brother but if you study history you will rethink much of your statements.”

          its obvious from your 1st statement that what i was saying got lost in translation via your own personal interpretation-perspective-perception of reality !?

          be-aware of using logical fallacies when addressing me ……. i will point them out & back up my thoughts with documented scientific evidence-facts !

          i knew “white” human beings were indigenous ancestors of my family & yes…. Astrotheology & Shamanism: Christianity’s Pagan Roots + the Sacred Mushroom @ the Cross -Pharmacratic Inquisition etc….. have all confirmed what i independently researched on my own !

          “…In order for Europe to do what it has done to us—in fact, for Europe to become “Europe” at all—it first had to do the same thing to all of you. In other words, to become a colonizing culture, Europe had to first colonize itself. To the extent that this is true, I find it fair to say that if our struggle must be explicitly anticolonial…yours must be even more so. You have, after all, been colonized for far longer than we, and therefore much more completely.

          In fact, your colonization has by now been consolidated to such an extent that….you no longer even see yourselves as having been colonized. The result is that you’ve become self-colonizing, conditioned to be so self-identified with your own oppression that you’ve lost your ability to see it for what it is, much less to resist it in any coherent way.”

          since predator came

 The 4000 BCE Origins of Child Abuse, Sex-repression, Warfare and Social Violence, In the Deserts of the Old World

          Evidence for a Worldwide, Climate-Linked Geographical Pattern
          in Human Behavior

          Human Violence is Unnatural.
          Perpetual War is Not Inevitable.

          The Human Species is By Nature Loving, Cooperative and Peaceful.

          [shows that patri-hierarchal societies are Psychopathic & Matristic societies are Egalitarian-altruistic-empathy etc…..]

          “the exception proves the rule it is measured by”

          Unlearning the Language of Conquest
          Scholars Expose Anti-Indianism in America

          Hidden History of Marx and Engels :Saharasia Since 1900

          Advocating Slavery, Racism, Ethnic Hatreds, War and Genocide

          Mocking Justice, Freedom, Democracy and Equality

          Contempt for the Poor, Workers, Farmers, Moderates

          [sounds familiar ?]

          They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America and Industrial Britain

          White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain’s White Slaves in America [other books]

          some slaves in the world were the pale tribes or pale nations, pale Europeans, the Slavs or Slavic people. slaves in the Americas were also pale. The names red neck and white trash was given to poor Europeans by pale elite aristocracy Europeans.

          To Hell or Barbados: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland [ irish descendants here to this day are known as RedLegs ! ]

          Cognitive dissonance keeps people from looking objectively @ these very controversial topics ……which should be addressed !

          iam interested in understanding the root causes + effects of genocide-ecocide [sadistic atroCities] via Psychopathic colonization

          substantial evidence that Psychopaths/ Malignant Narcissists are adept at mimicking normalcy whilst exploiting everyone in their domain…

          psychopathic narcissist cannot empathize with others or understand what walking in truth means vs. acting out via lies [& the cause + effect-repercussions there off !?]

          .pompous, grandiose, repulsive and contradictory, ruthless and devoid of scruples, capricious and unfathomable……….

          “believeing-blind faith” convincing themselves there not a bad persons-people while inside the are raging Megalomaniac who get off on sadomasochistic projections ………. etc

          “Without Conscience”Robert Hare’s
          WebSite devoted to the study of Psychopathy

          “We are not proposing a “theological” study, but rather a scientific study of what we can plainly call Evil. The problem is, our materialist scientific culture does not readily admit that evil actually exists, per se. The lack of such a science has cost humanity millions of lives and untold suffering.”

          {THE PSYCHOPATH – The Mask of Sanity}

          by Hervey Cleckley PDF – book download FREE!

          “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” – Benito Mussolini

          Snakes In Suits: When Psychopaths Go To Work

          Clinical diagnosis (PCLR) of personality of corporation.

          psychopath mri – general psychology

          Malignant Self Love – Narcissism Revisited

          “I, Psychopath”. 1-5 documentary evidence that Psychopaths/ Malignant Narcissists are adept at mimicking normalcy whilst exploiting everyone in their domain.

          Women Who Love Psychopaths:

          Documentary: Psychopath

          Narcissist, Psychopath, Abuse sam vaknin’s Channel

          Intraspecies Predator: How A Psychopath Sees The World

          “Scientific studies show that psychopaths’ brains work in very different ways to the brains of normal human beings. According to Robert Hare, the psychopath seems to interpret, process and use emotional information as if it was neutral information.

          The psychopath cannot extract emotional information from words as normal people do. Words like “murder, rape and death”, provoke NO reaction in the mind/brain of a psychopath. They respond ‘in a very superficial manner’ to concepts that cause an emotional and distressing reaction in normal people.”

          • Gene
            December 13, 2010 at 10:29 am

            HMMM, you are jumping on the “conclusion mat” first I did not mean to attack or con-descend to you. You have assumed too much in all of your statements! And really don’t try “YOUR” logical fallacies on me! I would just rather have peace than war! But you made your feeling toward me very clear didn’t you?

            You will get no further response than this “ONE” from me. Now that the pleasantries are over, you have already polarized your self in attack only. Thanks for letting me know by the way! I “can” and “should” but why not just let your own words show how you “are?”. I’m not going to dirty my mouth or my keyboard with their hate. But like I said in my response to “you” there is much truth in what you say, and that is good but you are full with “YOUR OWN PERCEPTIONS” so I will not bother with “YOU” ever again. I have made many “purposeful mistakes” in my redress of you, just my way of butchering the, anglosaxxon and English language imposition upon me and all my ancestors! Some Native “southern Paiute, Aztec” and and some from Austral Hungary some from Ireland and some from Iran but who care’s!?!?!?!?!!!!

            OK I think that’s about as personal and “filler” as I like to get. Now about your “conclusions” that I have not studied the points you make way before there was an inter-net or “INNER-NET”! Oh, yes I have but you have failed to see that “some” of the ancestral Native culture wasn’t just the same as much of Europe. Just as much savage in heart and mind. If you had, you would have noticed the most savage have been matriarch in structure both native and europe much less the patriarch north africa, middle aisa depict in “zaharaisa”! How about the fact that much of the MAYA, AZTEC mythology is “almost” mirror that of the GREEK MYTHOLOGY!

            You go right on, go right on, just do not jump on the “mat” there might be a hole in the floor its covering! By the way I really enjoyed your little “psychopath mentality”, both for real and the “ad-homonym” attack on me, wonderful thanks!

            Dissect, this all you want any way you want it matters not! At least not to me!

            Last point to make here there can be nothing sacred but the earth and all life upon it everything else is temporary and there forever false!

        • December 10, 2010 at 2:06 am

          matriarchal[their is no hierarchy @ all] is just a english word that via the translation from the indigenous languages … really does not represent the principles of the Sacred Hoop – Cangleska Wahkan in Lakotah or the Circle of the Fifty Sachems-Wampum Keepers of the Kaianerekowa Haudenosaunee

          go ask my Ancestors the Lakotah*Anishinaabe*Haudenosaunee*Cheyenne*Dakotah*Nakotah*manitaoba metis*hopi etc……. what the foundation of our cultures are & in the indigenous mother tongues its rooted in the circle-balance of life

          ……. they may say matriarchy in “english” !? but remember the indigenous ancestors vision-thoughts-actions-evidence-free flowing pure imagicknation recognizes the sovereignty = autonomous responsibility with no fear of Natural Law !

          not your “english” interpretation of a word !

          see ………

          The Alphabet Versus the Goddess: The Conflict Between Word and Image

          it has been ascertained by linguistof the world that the indigenous-natives-aboriginal languages are the most expressive on this earth-connection-rooted in nature communication-direct experience-understanding human beings symbiotic-reciprocal relationship to all creation-life-cyclical -eclectic seasons [mitakuye oyasin] & the sacred ecology a certian group of human beings-species live in harmony with !

          it has also been shown that it is almost impossible to translate an expressive indigenous-native-aboriginal 1st Nations Language-understanding-perception-perspective-interpretation of authentic reality into the least expressive language in the world which is english[the last language]

          just to clarify what i said about english ….. even though it can be used to mind control Human Beings via Psychopaths ……. i also understand from my experiences that when we have genuwine intentions empathy -cleansing vibes in authentic truth-pure medicine that expressing in english [like iam doing now] can be beneficial & honest communication !


          “At this point, perhaps I should be very clear about another matter, one which should already be clear as a result of what I’ve said. But confusion breeds easily these days, so I want to hammer home this point. When I use the term European , I’m not referring to a skin color or a particular genetic structure. What I’m referring to is a mind-set, a worldview that is a product of the development of European culture. Peoples are not genetically encoded to hold this outlook, they are acculturated to hold it. The same is true for American Indians or for the members of any other culture.

          It is possible for an American Indian to share European values, A European worldview. We have a term for these people; we call them “apples” – red on the outside (genetics) and white on the inside (their values). Other groups have similar terms: Black have their “oreos;” Hispanos have “coconuts” and so on. And, as I said before, there are exceptions to the white norm: people who are white on the outside, but not white inside. I’m not sure what term should be applied to them other than “human beings.”

          What I’m putting out here is not a racial proposition but a cultural proposition. Those who ultimately advocate and defend the realities of European culture and its industrialism are my enemies. Those who resist it, who struggle against it, are my allies, the allies of American Indian people. And I don’t give a damn what their skin color happens to be. Caucasian is the white term for the white race: European is an outlook I oppose.

          The Vietnamese Communists are not exactly what you might consider genetic Caucasians, but they are now functioning as mental Europeans. The same holds true for the Chinese Communists, for Japanese capitalists or Bantu Catholics or Peter “MacDollar” down at the Navajo reservation or Dickie Wilson up here at Pine Ridge. There is no racism involved in this, just an acknowledgment of the mind and spirit that make up culture.

          In Marxist terms I suppose I’m a “cultural nationalist.” I work first with my people, the traditional Lakota people, because we hold a common worldview and share an immediate struggle. Beyond this, I work with other traditional American Indian peoples, again because of a certain commonality in worldview and form of struggle. Beyond that, I work with anyone who has experience the colonial oppression of Europe and who resists its cultural and industrial totality. Obviously, this includes genetic Caucasians who struggle to resist the dominant norms of European culture. The Irish and the Basques come immediately to mind, but there are many others.

          I work primarily with my own people, with my own community. Other people who hold non-European perspectives should do the same. I believe in the slogan, “Trust your brother’s vision,” although I’d like to add sisters in the bargain. I trust the community and the culturally based vision of all the races that naturally resist industrialization and human extinction. Clearly, individual whites can share in this, given only that they have reached the awareness that continuation of the industrial imperatives of Europe is not a vision, but species suicide. White is one of the sacred colors of the Lakota people – red, yellow, white and black. The four directions. The four seasons. The four period of life and aging. The four races of humanity. Mix red, yellow, white and black together and you get brown, the color of the fifth race. This is the natural order of things. It therefore seems natural to me to work with all races, each with it’s own special meaning, identity and message.

          But there is a peculiar behavior among most Caucasians. As soon as I become critical of Europe and its impact on other cultures, they become defensive. They begin to defend themselves. But I am not attacking them personally; I’m attacking Europe. In personalizing my observations on Europe they are personalizing European culture, identifying themselves with it.By defending themselves in this context, they are ultimately defending the death culture. This is a confusion which must be overcome, and it must be overcome in a hurry. None of us has energy to waste in such false struggles.

          Caucasians have a more positive vision to offer humanity than European culture. I believe this. But in order to attain this vision it is necessary for Caucasians to step outside European culture – alongside the rest of humanity – to see Europe for what it is and what it does.

          To cling to capitalism and Marxism and all the other “isms” is simply to remain within European culture. There is no avoiding this basic fact. As a fact, this constitutes a choice. Understand that the choice is based on culture, not race. Understand that to choose European culture and industrialism is to choose to be my enemy. And understand that the choice is yours, not mine. This leads me back to address those American Indians who are drifting through the universities, the city slums, and other European institutions. If you are there to learn to resist the oppressor in accordance with your traditional ways, so be it. I don’t know how you manage to combine the two, but perhaps you will succeed. But retain your sense of reality. Beware of coming to believe the white world now offers solutions to the problems it confronts us with. Beware, too, of allowing the words of native people to be twisted to the advantage of our enemies. Europe invented the practice of turning words around on themselves. You need only look to the treaties between American Indian peoples and various European governments to know that this is true. Draw your strength from who you are.

          A culture which regularly confuses revolution with continuation, which confuses science and religion, which confuses revolt with resistance, has nothing helpful to teach you and nothing to offer you as a way of life. Europeans have long since lost all touch with reality, if they ever were in touch with it. Feel sorry for them if you need to, but be comfortable with who you are as American Indians.

          So, I suppose to conclude this, I would state clearly that leading anyone toward Marxism is the last thing on my mind. Marxism is as alien to my culture as capitalism and Christianity are. In fact, I can say I don’t think I’m trying to lead anyone toward anything. To some extent I tried to be a “leader,” in the sense that white media like to use that term, when the American Indian Movement was a young organization. This was a result of a confusion that I no longer have. You cannot be everything to everyone. I do not propose to be used in such a fashion by my enemies. I am not a leader. I am an Oglala Lakotah. This is all I want and all I need to be. And I am very comfortable with who I am.”

          Russell Means/Oyate Wacinyapin * inhaunktowon * Oglala Lakotah

          an excerpt from this speech


          Wasi’chu, which means “takes the fat,” or “greedy person.” Within the modern Indian movement, Wasi’chu has come to mean those corporations and individuals, with their governmental accomplices, which continue to covet Indian lives, land, and resources for private profit-prophets.

          Wasi’chu does not describe a race; it describes a state of mind.

          Wasi’chu is also a human condition based on inhumanity, racism, and exploitation. It is a sickness[parasite predator], a seemingly incurable and contagious disease which begot the ever advancing society of techNoLogic progress raping the earth for her resources-energy-soul-spirit-emotions-mind-human beings etc……. “

    • Gene
      December 6, 2010 at 2:38 pm

      First thing to realize or re-analyze, is a “divided, rather disconnected or polarized” individual is incapable of not jumping on the “conclusion mat” or the square if you will, as they are “stuck” in the programed response to stimuli. I will give a hint, Jan in your talk with Dr. Strassman he stated that the pineal gland is not important to the “function-key word” of an individuals life. He then goes on to state there are many cases where people have “normal-key word” lives. I say, well this is only after they have been already programed for proscribed responses to stimuli. Now we come to it, in the two documentaries I site above note the “images” (do not forget the visual) of inserting into the brain of electrodes and the electrical arc cartoon. They are attacking the pineal region of the brain, so I ask how many sense does one have and the difference in sense and stimuli? This is one of the “important” false dichotomy to expose, like the “race” dichotomy imposed upon people, much as with religion, a dividing or polarizing false dichotomy!

      • Deganawida
        December 13, 2010 at 10:36 pm

        clearly what i was saying & what you said to me got lost in translation !?

        …….. the psychopaths links were not directed @ you ……they were shared with you to research along with the other links if your interested !?

        4real gene i do apologize if your interpretation of what i was trying to say came off in the wrong way !? … i have a unique way of expressing myself & see the world differently !?

        understand that i express my thoughts on a computer the best i know how !? i bet if we talked on the telephone or were @ inipi etc…. family reunion we would be good friends !

        …… these are touchy-controversial subjects & the links i posted via my perception of reality really hepl me recognize some of the root causes + effects of why ALL of our paleolithic indigenous ancestors

        [ the circle people ] have been slaughtered on every continent …..sadistic atrocities [genocide-ecicide] via the Psychopaths ….. colonization-imperialism-Aristocracy-PatriHierArchal

        etc…. are predators Fascist fuedal governmental-religious Corporations- Bureaucracy -Malignant Narcissist – sadomasochism -Cognitive dissonance — Megalomaniacs – victim perpetrators industrial techNoLogic “civilization” believe-blind faith in progress !? etc…..

        i definitely dont know it all …… but i have a pretty good idea how it all works

        international multi-lingual site with free transcripts + mp3s “blurbs” (educational talks) in the various languages of Europe

        “showing the techniques of culture-creation[predictive programming-revelation of the method-social engineering],psychological warfare – dictatorship, manipulation and how the sciences of human understanding have been in use for a very long time, guiding each generation along a pre-determined path laid out by a global elite and produced into existence by their institutions of well-paid experts.

        Conspiracy theories are unnecessary. There are many published works by powerful world-stage players. Not only do they plan your future, they have the wealth of the planet to bring it about.”


        take care family ! cheers + enjoy the Holidays if you celebrate !?

        i realize we are the Human Being Family & i send you much positive vibes via These Memories ~ John Trudell

        Genesis 2:21 ?……. normally, atoms are neutral and have no charge. However in order to gain stability they will sacrifice their neutrality by either losing one or more of its outermost electrons thus becoming a positive ion=Adam , or they will gain one or more electrons ,thus becoming a negative ion = Eve . Once this has happened then the resulting charged Atoms will attract eachother. That electrical attraction between two oppositely charged ions is referred to as an ionic – bond !!!???

        “The Light of the body is the Eye ,if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness !?”


        “Dr. George W. Crile, of the Cleveland Laboratories announced that he had disovered at the heart of every living organism a tiny nucleus of energy, all aglow, with temperatures ranging from 3000 to 6000 degrees of heat, which he called “radiogens” or “hot points” precisely akin to the radiant energy of solar matter. He affirmed, that a tiny particle of the sun’s power and radiance was lodged within the heart of every organic unit.” – The Great Myth of the SUN-GODS by Alvin Boyd Kuhn.

        Éiriú Eolas – Irish-Gaelic = Growth of Knowledge

        “Right exercises which lead directly to the aim of mastering the organism and subjecting its conscious and unconscious functions to the will, begin with breathing exercises. Without mastering breathing, nothing can be mastered. At the same time, to master breathing is not easy.”


        dmt spirit molecule pineal gland in the bible ?

        Genesis 32:30
        “And Jacob called the name of the place *Peniel*: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved”


        Blood Regeneration via Chlorophyll : the
        substance which makes green plants green. The chlorophyll molecule
        has the unique capacity to convert the energy of the sun into
        chemical energy (through photosynthesis), which the plant uses to
        make carbohydrates from carbon dioxide and water.

        Ultimately, all
        living things—plant and animal—derive their energy, and
        therefore their life, from solar energy through photosynthesis.Yet,
        chlorophyll is not so unique in its chemical make-up. It is built
        around a structure known as a porphyrin ring, which occurs in a variety
        of natural organic molecules.

        The most interesting group of molecules
        which contain porphyrin rings are those involved in cellular respiration,
        or the transportation and consumption of oxygen. These include
        hemoglobin, myoglobin, and the cytochromes. Hemoglobin is, of course, the substance in human blood which carries oxygen from the lungs to the other tissues and cells of the body.
        see chapter 3 for more Scientific Evidence…………


        Secret Worlds: The Universe Within

        View the Milky Way at 10 million light years from the Earth. Then move through space towards the Earth in successive orders of magnitude until you reach a tall oak tree just outside the buildings of the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory in Tallahassee, Florida. After that, begin to move from the actual size of a leaf into a microscopic world that reveals leaf cell walls, the cell nucleus, chromatin, DNA and finally, into the subatomic universe of electrons and protons. ………..

  2. albert
    December 9, 2010 at 12:29 am

    In a word, at 2 am with the prospect looming to get up in a couple of hours to assume my “cog space” in the wheels of the machine, AWESOME!
    Thanks gentlemen.

  3. David
    December 17, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Earth is mother.
    So a society in respect of mother or the matriarch is caring, nurturing, forgiving, and the provider to us all.
    Father is the sky, which torments us with his moods and indecisive behaviors, and wrath.
    That is observation which I’m sure any pile of documentation can back me up on. If you closed the book for more then the time you sleep your eyes would see past the covers, to the real world around you.

  4. Monica Ballyurban
    December 21, 2010 at 8:32 am

    I read with sadness both commentators’ words. Two obviously intelligient individuals, with many intersting ideas. I learned much, so much.

    But somewhere lost in the dialogue between the two, was the concept of ‘agree to disagree’.

    I was born in America, to Hungarian parents, escaping Communist oppression in 1956 Europe. I absolutely agree with the fact that the status quo of the European mindset is dangerous and will more than likely lead us down the road to human extinction.

    It takes time to change. People need to hear new ideas, expressed with conviction, but also with compassion.

    Opposing sides need to come together to understand each other. I would like to think one day there will be a world where ‘we can all just get along’. Perhaps there was once such a time, and perhaps it may come again.

    But we have to have patience and kindness. We must practice humility and show love towards all living beings, if our voices and thoughts are to be heard and understood – at least listened to.

    Just because we can do something, doesn’t mean we should: nuclear weapons, genetically engineered organisms, slavery, etc.

    Humans are the worst thing that has ever happened to this planet. This place will survive just fine without us…

    Einstein said World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones. Because World War 3 will destroy most of us. The peoples that will survive, will likely be the indigenous ones, who are still close to the Earth, and know how to read her and live in harmony with her.

    I read the articles and watch the videos on the Gnostic Media website every Christmas, to remember and learn about the great and sacred pagan traditions that are all but lost and forgotten.

    Yes, some religious people cannot handle these ideas – that is why so much of religion has always been allegory, a way for the masses to understand at least something (also a way for those in power to control the masses of course, with fear and threats and guilt).

    The concept of Gods and Religions are a cultural construct. What is out there, the Great Spirit, exists and cannot be comprehended or described by any of us. No one is an authority. Perhaps when we leave this plane of existence we shall know ‘the truth’ but only time will tell.

    Europeans came to America…and now look what we are doing: expressing ideas via the internet. Something good always can come out of something bad. We must always look at the big picture and focus on what good the future can hold, not just the bad. The world is not black and white.

    I think one of the greatest tragedies of American history, is the brutal, almost complete annhilation of the Native Peoples of this great land. Close behind that, is what the US did to the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I am glad I was not alive during both events, I do not know how I could have justified living in this country I was (to be) born in.

    I am a botanist and honour the plants that sustain us. The sacred mushroom is truly special. I have never used it, and more than likely, never will. It’s just a choice I made.

    There is so much good in this world, and beauty. Let’s learn from each other, and from this planet, if we can.

    Let’s make it a better place, not worse.

    I have a poem in my room, that I have read everyday for years:

    Finish every day and be done with it.
    You have done what you could.
    Some blunders and absurdities
    no doubt have crept in;
    forget them as soon as you can.

    Tomorrow is a new day;
    begin it well and serenely
    and with too high a spirit
    to be encumbered with
    your old nonsense.

    This day is all that is
    good and fair.
    It is too dear,
    with its hopes and invitations,
    to waste a moment on yesterdays.

    Ralph Waldo Emerson, (attributed)
    US essayist & poet (1803 – 1882)


    Wishing you all the best,
    Monica Ballyurban
    Davis, CA

  5. December 24, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Yawn… bunch of nonsense.

    Until all citizenry can justly participate in an economy there will be educated (elite) snakes and rats robbing and cheating. Simplify it, downsize it, recognize it. I don’t recognize the ‘economy’ because there are inventions like derivitative trading markets, credit, and digidigits (zeros on a screen)

    I don’t blame the snakes and rats from exploiting the economachine (mechanics of the economy). It’s a tool, they manipulate it to serve them, that’s simple. But, simply put, they (snakes and rats) don’t see those they ruin. The economunnity (people subjected to the economachine) is too large and too obscured for their to be justice. How can I give a shit about someone I’ve never met? Should there be PSAs on TV with Sarah McLachlan singing about the poor disenfranchised resources (humans) in vietnam and senegal and mauritania and mexico and jamaica and bangladesh and camden, nj and indonesia and haiti? I doubt it would matter.

    If everything is out on the table, so to speak. And everyone (except the retarded) plays a integral role in the health and well-being of a community, than no one will ‘lose.’

    Simplify it, downsize it, recognize it.

    • February 27, 2011 at 8:31 am

      Most excellent comment, motivated youth! Very refreshing.
      Way too fatalistic for my liking, to be sure, but right on target, in my opinion. Bull’s eye!
      You know, during this supremely enjoyable two-hour talk, the most fascinating thing for me to watch was how all four of our gladiators in the monetary arena repeatedly touched the battlefield, which I prefer to classify as the “piety theoretical” field of study, without really stepping into it, despite a considerable number of first-class statements. Then you came along and simply did it, finally, in your juvenile cockiness … 🙂 You waged the crucial step seemingly effortless – congrats!

      You’re saying “simplify it, downsize it, recognize it.”
      Are you aware of how complicated it is to fulfill your demand in the right way, so that you can get an easily understandable picture in which extremely complex phenomena are coherently contained? It’s very complicated, but not impossible, I hope.
      Any further ideas of you would be very welcome …
      (Good font choice, Jan, by the way.)

  6. December 25, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Human Sacrifices?

    stereotypical propaganda to label Native Amarucan indians as savages-primitives-pagans !

    The Lies of the Conquistadors: Cutting Through the Myth of Human Sacrifice among the indigenous Native Amarucan indian Aztecs-Mayans-Toltecs-olmecs-incan peoples ……

    Of Myths and Realities: Implications and Consequences

    Myth: an ill-founded belief held uncritically, especially by an interested group.
    Most of what has been written and also portrayed about Native Americans or American Indians in all kinds of
    medium is based on misconceptions of historical facts and a perpetuation of myths

    Unlearning the Language of Conquest
    Scholars Expose Anti-Indianism in America


    did this mentality have anything to do with all the filthy diseases that somehow infected indigenous europeans ………..& then spread here …..!?

    we see why the psychopaths had to invent the aztec ritual myth !?

    inquisitions …”holy” crusades ?

    someone should write a book about Europes Aristocracies divide & conquer technique via the religious ruling…………… priestclass [cross-church-]……..

    guilt-sin-blame-slander-defamation-condemenation of the so called “godless heathens”……….

    & governmental[crown-monarch-elites military order out of chaos-terror] corporation-banksters -british east india-virgiania companies whose mission was to rape the earth-nature of here resources-indigenous human beings energy etc…… via human sacrifices:

    Death by burning (also known as burning alive or burning to death) is death brought about by combustion. As a form of capital punishment, burning has a long history as a method in crimes such as treason, heresy, and witchcraft.

    According to the Talmud, the “burning” mentioned in the Bible was done by melting lead and pouring it down the convicted person’s throat, causing immediate death.[1] The particular form of execution by burning in which the condemned is bound to a large stake is more commonly called burning at the stake.

    ………. hanged, drawn and quartered

    the penalty in England for men guilty of high treason, although its use is first recorded during the reign of King Henry III and that of his successor, Edward I. The convicted were drawn by horse on a wooden hurdle to the place of execution.

    Once there, they were ritually hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated, disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces). As a warning against further dissent, their remains were often displayed at prominent places, such as London Bridge.[my fair pagan-primitive-savage lady]

    For reasons of public decency, women convicted of high treason were instead burnt at the stake.

    chopping off heads for public entertainment on gulliotines

    – having petty criminals and political opponents butchered to death in Roman collesseums as the crowds cheer wildly ie… bread & circuses etc……….


    where was the civilized “european colonialist” knowledge of sanitizing-cleansing-purification-hygiene !?

    & what DISGUSTING things were they doing on that continent[europe etc..] that caused them to have so many filthy diseases that are not NATURAL for Human Beings to suffer from !?

    they claimed to be superior to the “savages-primitives-pagans” !?

    custard died for your sins !

    Blood Quantum: A Relic of Racism and Termination pt1

    since predator came

    what treaties ?

    disrobing the psychopathic emperors


  7. Jan Irvin
    December 26, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    If you think that there were no human sacrifices in American Native cultures, just as there were in European, Middle Eastern, African and Asian societies, go back and listen to episode #06 with Prof. Neil Whitehead. Many of the aspects of dark shamanism survive alive and well today.

    • December 26, 2010 at 4:55 pm

      thanks 4 sharing ! i have listened ………. but was the dark[manipulative] nurtured[programmed] into these “shamans” or was it there NATURE ?

      remember that there are over 900 + sovereign nations of Native Amarucan indians who live on this continent …….who constitute distinct cultural entities & this whole concept is alien to the languages – reality- understanding of the people as a whole !?

      dark “shamans” are often outkast because they are not living in symbiotic-reciprocal relationship to other Human Beings Nature etc…….. much like the sorcerers in the “mystery schools” who exploit the Natural order ……..

      Freedom Vs Shamanism

      The Distinction Between True Knowledge & Sorcery/Shamanism

      Cosmic Serpents & The Dark Side of Shamanism (Jeremy Narby)

      Spiritual Predator

      just asking some critical questions & examining where did this psychopathic mentality originate !? & is there evidence that our paleolithic indigenous ancestors on every continent @ one time lived in harmony with the sacred ecology & something “alien” has traumatized our consciousness + vision of authenic reality !? siberian shamanism -animism

      Kogi Mamas

      Cultures at the far edge of the world

      The Wayfinders: Why Ancient Wisdom Matters in the Modern World
      The worldwide web of belief and ritual : Nature Communication = Direct Experience
      Light at the Edge of the World: A Journey Through the Realm of Vanishing Cultures

    • Gene
      January 1, 2011 at 12:08 am

      Sorry, for the…. the “problem here?” Here, I will interject this my feeling, I do not truly trust the officialdom on the religious practices of the larger native societies. In saying this the culprit’s visible “to a point anyway” the Jesuit priests and cardinals who wrote about the practices of human sacrifices are subject to further scrutiny. As they were the “inquisitors generalis” or power behind such atrocities! Now as for Natives being “innocent-rather-incapable” of such atrocity belief “floating around(pun intend)”! I will just direct anyone to the stories of the Native peoples themselves, the first ones or those who were there-HERE before the tribal peoples that are here at present, not only did they obliterate many cultures already thriving. They murdered out wholesale those peoples all together! I am referencing to the “mound builders” and the Adena, as well many other central and south western peoples and cultures ETC> ETC>! Murdered, extinct, not here any more! But as with any peoples they eventually “some” advanced into more civilized and cultured peoples!

      So yes now as far as ritual sacrifices I don’t know for sure. But blood letting is still practiced in many central and south American cultures, not sure if the spirit vision hanging is still practiced by the Lakota and other plains peoples. These are examples of ritual blood sacrifices in the Americas and was a personal choice done to ones self not the taking and slaughtering of others, but it may have happened so there’s my 2cent!

      Although I’m not totally sure how this got going any how, oh yeah mis-interpretation and mis-conception all round I think. May be some day we will know all, but not holding my breath for and if such things are among this Gnosis, UHH HMMM don’t know if I want it?!? But hey it certainly would make a great horror flick, the continuous snuff movie called EARTH! FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, BITE FIGHT THE ITCHY AND SCRATCHY SHOW!

      I feel that’s enough bickering over who done what to whom don’t you? And, to now move forward, in peace! Because not one single soul will be free if we do/can not! Or we can just “agree to disagree” and burn it all to the ground “again” “not the first time I have been through the meat grinder here” so lets do be better this time! Although many started out right off doing the same old same old, enough with the superstition, violence and suffering. I am sick of it!

      Jan sorry for the rants but this constant violence curbs my groove! Knowledge is power but like the technology it is. It’s use and the intent of it’s use is crucial, if used to hurt and for “and in” violent”read overtly aggressive” means it only breeds more pain hate and violent aggression! If only in ones self further dividing the “individual” of your being!

      OK, my spell is cast lets see what comes it, more of the same I feel. That’s why I just shut out and ignore such provocation. Bickering and arguing gets you no where fast!

  8. January 9, 2011 at 7:03 am

    Solutrean Hypothesis-Clovis- Native Amarucan indian 1st Nations
    Continuation of a little clarification of what the anthropological documented scientific evidence really says etc…….. pt 1 pt2 pt3 pt4

    & see……..

    Native Americans, Dolichocephalism and the Ainu

    Just a quick response to a foolish Eurocentrist who obviously has no clue of anthropological terms.

    Solutrean Hypothesis, what the evidence really says 1-5

    Dennis Stanford recently had a lecture in the Smithsonian and Bruce Bradley just came out with a video showing light skinned Solutrean Europeans as the precursors of the Clovis people in the Americas. Let us ignore the fact that Solutreans would not have been pale skinned back then, the inaccurate claims made by both these men are little more than grown men’s wet dreams of being ancient Americans. When we look at the evidence, it just doesn’t add up. pt1 pt2 pt3 pt4 pt5

    Major sources: The Solutrean Atlantic Hypothesis: A View from the Ocean

    Ice Age Atlantis? Exploring the Solutrean-Clovis connection

    mitochondrial DNA haplogroups of Paleoamericans in North America
    by David Glenn Smith, Ripan S. Malhi, Jason A. Eshleman, Frederika A. Keastle, and Brian M. Kemp, Circa 2005.

    This study is interesting because these researchers are probably the most authoritative source for aDNA (ancient DNA) analysis of Paleoamericans.

    A scientist in the Smithsonian, Dennis Stanford, not the institution per se. And he has been effectively shot down by the foremost expert on the Solutreans, Lawrence Straus, by one of the top Clovis experts, Davis Meltzer, a paleooceanographer, Kieran Westley, As well as a slew of genetic research.

    & see…………
    Derenko, Diversity of mitochondrial DNA lineages in South Siberia, 2003

    Zakharov, Mitochondrial DNA Variation in the Aboriginal Populations of the Altai‐Baikal Region: Implications for the Genetic History of North Asia and America, 2004

    Starikovskaya, Mitochondrial DNA diversity in indigenous populations of the southern extent of Siberia, and the origins of Native American haplogroups, 2005

    All genetic evidence points to Asia. Haplotypes ABCD and X ave been found, but more specifically, the subtypes of each of these all match with Siberian populations more so than any other populations in the world.

    X has been found in Asia? Forgive me, I’m no expert, but I thought the basis for the Salutrian theory was that X was NOT found in Asia, but was found in Europe. They freely admit that since all human come from Africa, X may have migrated through Asia and Europe, and the Asian strange is no longer present. What is your source for X being found in Asia?

    Yes they found it in the Altaic people of Siberia and it is a closer form than anything in Europe.

    Pattern and context in the Holocene proliferation of backed artifacts in Australia

    Archeological Papers of the American Anthropological Association Volume 12 Issue 1, Pages 163 – 177
    Published Online: 28 Jun 2008

    & see……….
    Dr. Kivisild who is the foremost expert of X2a

    & see…….. Afrocentric & Eurocentric [examined] + [debunked] etc…

    & see……… Did Native Americans Discover Europe First?

  9. Gene
    February 7, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    So what does the solutrean/clovis hypothesis have to do with, the mound builder culture or the Adena peoples? The mound builders existed about 3000yrs before the first so called clovis artifacts/skeletal pieces deposited in flood run off ending up in depths that place them at the same or earlier age but are clearly found in flood fill strata. So your point, my feeling the clovis stuff is on the same level of the “washitaw moores” as far as being legitimate. Now yes the artifacts are real but are from else where ending up in the flood plains after the last ice age. Now yes there are many questions to which many only have guesses for but unfortunately archeologists are not forced to take at least one advanced geology course before being vetted so the theory/lies keep piling up like flood strata!

    Just so I’m clear here no one on this earth is “pure human”! Any thing we, were or should have been “IS” polluted, by many things. But how ever a few “human” survivors did live on but had been sought out by those who wanted control the minds, body’s, souls and even earth it’s self! Slaughtered by the “new man” creature we are now! Yes we killed our ancestors, “those who stayed to try and help us that is!” Many are trying to kill the earth as well!

  10. September 28, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    what do you think about this ?

    The Secret of Oz Debunked

    ‘Mike Montagne addressing certain flaws in the Secret of Oz economic monetary solutions.Mike also asks Bill Still, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Ellen Hodgson Brown, Stephen Zarlenga for a debate on his radio show broadcast on TNS radio.

    There is no other solution.Regulation can only temper an inherently terminal process.
    If you’re not promoting Mathematically Perfected Economy ,Then you condemn us to monetary failure”

    ……………………………. = 2hr

    & = 3hr 30min

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